# Defining what Flame Junior Means (Survey)
**URL:** https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783
**Category:** Between Renders
**Created:** [June 1, 2024, 11:47am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783 "2024-06-01T11:47:32Z")
**Posts on this page:** 11
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### Author:  [@Spiralgold](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Spiralgold)
#### Post date: [June 9, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/22 "2024-06-09T22:08:50Z")
I started on Orad back in 1997…which was an Israeli competitor to Discreet Frost for live broadcast virtual studios, and ran on an SGI Onyx Reality Engine 2!
I’m sure there are Flame people who came in from some oblique angles too…maybe medical imaging or something?!
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### Author:  [@philm](https://forum.logik.tv/u/philm)
#### Post date: [June 10, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/23 "2024-06-10T01:09:44Z")
I washed dishes in many restaurants
Then I cleaned plates for a living.
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### Author:  [@ytf](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ytf)
#### Post date: [June 10, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/24 "2024-06-10T14:56:17Z")
I was a hired hand on a dairy farm, so I learned how to work while knee deep in shit.
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### Author:  [@paul\_round](https://forum.logik.tv/u/paul_round)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2024, 9:26am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/25 "2024-06-12T09:26:24Z")
Great link. I remember when I was at MPC, they set up a new department called the Printed Picture Company with Richard Bain running.
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### Author:  [@paul\_round](https://forum.logik.tv/u/paul_round)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2024, 9:28am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/26 "2024-06-12T09:28:44Z")
> [@Spiralgold](#):
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> I started on Orad back in 1997…which was an Israeli competitor to Discreet Frost for live broadcast virtual studios, and ran on an SGI Onyx Reality Engine 2!
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> I’m sure there are Flame people who came in from some oblique angles too…maybe medical imaging or something?!
Back in the day, a couple of us Harry ops at MPC would go down to Quantel to teach people how to use Harry, I was amazed when I was told that some of the tech came from the medical side and difference matting came from military applications.
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### Author:  [@marios](https://forum.logik.tv/u/marios)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2024, 9:40am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/27 "2024-06-12T09:40:09Z")
I’m pretty sure I heard back in the late 90’s that flames 2d tracker came from the military, used for tracking missiles… not sure if thats true
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### Author:  [@Sinan](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Sinan)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2024, 12:15pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/28 "2024-06-12T12:15:41Z")
You’re right…
> **[Art of Tracking Part 1: History of Tracking](https://arc.net/l/vsaqkmix)**
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> In part one of a two part series about tracking, Mike Seymour covers the history of 2D and 3D tracking in visual effects. Today's artists might take it for granted, but what companies and individuals helped bring image processing innovation to the...
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### Author:  [@ytf](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ytf)
#### Post date: [June 12, 2024, 12:49pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/29 "2024-06-12T12:49:33Z")
A lot of our tech comes from the military. Siggraph in the eighties (and maybe still) had a huge contingent of rocket scientists. We owe the military for tracking and flat screens, along with a myriad of other tech we take for granted. As a buddy of mine once commented at my first siggraph convention, “It’s the dark side of computer graphics.”
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### Author:  [@RT\_FA](https://forum.logik.tv/u/RT_FA)
#### Post date: [June 28, 2024, 6:04pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/30 "2024-06-28T18:04:48Z")
My “Flame Experience” is only 2 or 3 years…but if you factor in Flint, Fire & Smoke then my experience stretches to 20+
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### Author:  [@Steve\_C](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Steve_C)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/31 "2024-09-13T20:41:33Z")
Shake and Combustion are missing from the survey. I know many flame assists who started this way.
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### Author:  [@Jeff](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Jeff)
#### Post date: [February 15, 2026, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/defining-what-flame-junior-means-survey/10783/32 "2026-02-15T16:58:07Z")
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