# IATSE Strike **URL:** \ **Category:** Between Renders\ **Created:** [September 25, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891 "2021-09-25T11:18:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/1 "2021-09-25T11:18:24Z")
Just in time for silly season. > **[An IATSE Strike Would Shut Down Film and TV Production Coast to Coast](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-strike-shut-down-production-nationwide-1235070315/)** > > The International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees called on Monday for a strike authorization vote, setting in motion potentially the biggest labor showdown in Hollywood since the last write… > **[Hollywood Unions Show Solidarity Ahead of Strike Vote: ‘We Stand With IATSE’](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/iatse-solidarity-unions-hollywood-1235073779/)** > > The major entertainment unions issued a joint statement of solidarity with the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees on Friday, as the craft union looks towards a strike authorizatio… ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/2 "2021-10-04T18:37:51Z")
> **[By a Nearly Unanimous Margin, IATSE Members in TV and Film Production Vote to...](https://iatse.net/by-a-nearly-unanimous-margin-iatse-members-in-tv-and-film-production-vote-to-authorize-a-nationwide-strike/)** > > Results show 90 percent of eligible union voters cast ballots, with more than 98 percent of them in support of strike authorization. Members of 36 local unions, representing 60,000 workers from across the country, grant approval for International... ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 6:47pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/3 "2021-10-04T18:47:33Z")
Anybody’s thoughts? Is this going to shut down visual effects work? ---
**Author:** ![andy\_dill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/andy_dill/32/47_2.png) [@andy\_dill](https://forum.logik.tv/u/andy_dill)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/4 "2021-10-04T18:51:50Z")
It’s fucking awesome to see such solidarity. ✊ ---
**Author:** ![hBomb42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bbce88/32.png) [@hBomb42](https://forum.logik.tv/u/hBomb42)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 7:12pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/5 "2021-10-04T19:12:28Z")
It’s going to affect features and episodic work for sure IMO. It doesn’t affect commercials from what I’ve heard, so…_fingers crossed_? ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 7:36pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/6 "2021-10-04T19:36:31Z")
I don’t think you could get 90% of Flame Artists to agree on anything ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/8 "2021-10-04T19:41:45Z")
_Poll ([view on site](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/8))_ ---
**Author:** ![cnoellert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/cnoellert/32/559_2.png) [@cnoellert](https://forum.logik.tv/u/cnoellert)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/9 "2021-10-04T19:45:35Z")
That’s bullshit @randy ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 7:47pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/10 "2021-10-04T19:47:35Z")
told ya. it only took 4 minutes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![andy\_dill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/andy_dill/32/47_2.png) [@andy\_dill](https://forum.logik.tv/u/andy_dill)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/11 "2021-10-04T20:22:31Z")
> [@Quinn](#): > > Who amongst us would be willing to sign on to a union agreement? I would without question. In LA right now freelance flame ops are required to be on W2 but rarely work at one shop long enough to qualify for health benefits, so you get none of the advantages of being staff and all of the disadvantages. If we had a union we’d all be on the union health plan and could move companies without worry (which would also apply for staff people who may only be staying at their jobs due to being tied to health insurance). Unions rule! ---
**Author:** ![eric\_mason](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/eric_mason/32/257_2.png) [@eric\_mason](https://forum.logik.tv/u/eric_mason)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:22pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/12 "2021-10-04T21:22:57Z")
I agree with your statement re: getting health benefits with a union, but it is absolutely not true that in LA, freelance flame ops are _all required_ to be on W2. If you want to work with the mega-big VFX houses in town, sure. But you’d be surprised how many shops are willing to pay ppl as independent contractors. To your original point about big shops gaming the system, yes. It’s ridiculous. Places will hire you for a short term gig, and you will not qualify for health benefits. A union situation for VFX artists would be intriguing, and I’d be into entertaining it, for sure… I’m just not sure if that train has already left the station… ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/13 "2021-10-04T21:25:41Z")
I would totally join a union. There’s too many things that the large facilities get away with that is absolutely ridiculous. Forcing temp w2 status, no OT, no weekend rates. For my family of 5 I spend almost 2 days wages working just to afford some kinda health insurance. If you’re a big company and you force me to w2, at least pay me a 30% more and at least given me access to a 401k. ---
**Author:** ![cnoellert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/cnoellert/32/559_2.png) [@cnoellert](https://forum.logik.tv/u/cnoellert)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:25pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/14 "2021-10-04T21:25:57Z")
I was joking of course but I don’t think you’re wrong. That’s sort of been systematically proven over the years…. ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:29pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/16 "2021-10-04T21:29:06Z")
> [@cnoellert](#): > > I was joking of course Damn. I was hoping for some entertainment! ---
**Author:** ![eversondigital](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/eversondigital/32/474_2.png) [@eversondigital](https://forum.logik.tv/u/eversondigital)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/17 "2021-10-04T21:37:06Z")
Shouldn’t a trade group be able to offer a group rate for insurance? I know the VES has an option, but when I looked it was the exact same price I was paying as an IC. ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:39pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/18 "2021-10-04T21:39:10Z")
What do you think I’m using? 🙂 It’s jokingly slightly better than paying full price. ---
**Author:** ![andy\_dill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/andy_dill/32/47_2.png) [@andy\_dill](https://forum.logik.tv/u/andy_dill)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 10:46pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/19 "2021-10-04T22:46:42Z")
> [@eric\_mason](#): > > it is absolutely not true that in LA, freelance flame ops are _all required_ to be on W2. [Legally, they are.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamex_Operations_West,_Inc._v._Superior_Court) ---
**Author:** ![eric\_mason](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/eric_mason/32/257_2.png) [@eric\_mason](https://forum.logik.tv/u/eric_mason)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/20 "2021-10-04T23:52:32Z")
If you are a flame artist using your own equipment and own license, you certainly don’t. You would be considered a vendor. Besides that, if you’re only being hired for a couple/few weeks at a time, I think any person looking not to be taken advantage of would seek to be paid as an IC. ---
**Author:** ![andy\_dill](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/andy_dill/32/47_2.png) [@andy\_dill](https://forum.logik.tv/u/andy_dill)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 3:09am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/21 "2021-10-05T03:09:56Z")
I agree and the law is clearly not designed for folks like us. The fucked up thing is Uber–exactly the type of operation that the law is _ **DESIGNED** _ for got around it. > **[Uber and Lyft Drivers in California Will Remain Contractors](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/technology/california-uber-lyft-prop-22.html)** > > The victory of Proposition 22, the most expensive initiative in the state’s history, could help gig companies remake labor laws throughout the country. Which brings me back to the point of the day: everyone should have unions to stand up for them, because it’s clear that no one else will. ---
**Author:** ![hBomb42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bbce88/32.png) [@hBomb42](https://forum.logik.tv/u/hBomb42)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891/22 "2021-10-13T15:32:40Z")
> **[Strike Date Set for 60,000 Film and Television Workers - IATSE](https://iatse.net/strike-date-set-for-60000-film-and-television-workers/)** > > Unless an Agreement is Reached, IATSE Members Will Begin Nationwide Strike on Oct. 18 at 12:01 a.m. (PDT) [Next page](https://forum.logik.tv/t/iatse-strike/3891.md?page=2)