# Important: Using Plugins with Flame 2025
**URL:** https://forum.logik.tv/t/important-using-plugins-with-flame-2025/10507
**Category:** Autodesk News
**Created:** [April 23, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/important-using-plugins-with-flame-2025/10507 "2024-04-23T14:22:09Z")
**Posts on this page:** 3
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### Author:  [@fredwarren](https://forum.logik.tv/u/fredwarren)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2024, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/important-using-plugins-with-flame-2025/10507/1 "2024-04-23T14:22:09Z")
Hello,
Plugins using a Qt window (Mocha and Neat for example) may crash Flame 2025 if you are not using their latest version, so please make sure you are indeed using the latest and greatest.
We have received CER reports in the past week showing that some users are crashing because of their plugins not being up to date.
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### Author:  [@greg](https://forum.logik.tv/u/greg)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/important-using-plugins-with-flame-2025/10507/2 "2024-04-23T21:53:26Z")
Does this only apply to pop-up windows or does it include OFX plug-ins whose controls are in the standard Flame interface (eg Sapphire)
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### Author:  [@fredwarren](https://forum.logik.tv/u/fredwarren)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2024, 10:37pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/important-using-plugins-with-flame-2025/10507/3 "2024-04-23T22:37:42Z")
Only to the ones popping a window.