# New update: Flame now supports Apple M1! 🎉 **URL:** \ **Category:** Logik Announcements\ **Created:** [January 19, 2022, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875 "2022-01-19T16:31:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/65 "2022-02-02T22:08:24Z")
So, anecdotally, based on what people are whispering, a Macbook Pro M1 Mac Pro with whatever RAM and whatever storage yields approximately the following on the Flame Benchmark… 2021 Macbook Pro Max Pro M1 approx 14-16 minutes For reference, other hardware is as follows, roughly… 2015 iMacs approx 35-45 minutes 2017 iMac Pros approx 16-18 minutes 2013 Mac Pro trashcans around 40 minutes HP z840 approx 8-14 minutes 2019 Mac Pros approx 12-15 minutes Threadripper Pros 3975wx under 6 minutes 2018 Macbook Pros approx 42 minutes Impressive improvement over Intel, impressive for a laptop, approx equiv to an almost end of life HP z840 running a P6000 ish. ---
**Author:** ![yard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/yard/32/3202_2.png) [@yard](https://forum.logik.tv/u/yard)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 5:03am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/66 "2022-02-03T05:03:39Z")
was about to purchase an imac 27in 2020 i9 to replace an old macpro 6.1 12 core trashcan a few days ago, but decided to check about M1 hardware support. After reading through all of these since yesterday now Im torn whether to purchase a Macbook Pro M1 Max 64gb or stil go with the 27in iMac 2020 i9… Am I correct to assume that its better to go with the Macbook Pro Max? Its cheaper and also based on the thread looks to be a better performer compared to the iMac? Or am I missing something here? Appreciate your inputs on this 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jotoku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jotoku](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Jotoku)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 12:54pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/67 "2022-02-03T12:54:05Z")
Saw a video that Apple will likely release an Imac Pro with 12 cores, mostly performance ones and possibly double the GPU core count of the laptop M1 Max. Also possibly 128GB ram, so we shall see in the coming months what they are up to ---
**Author:** ![johnag](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/johnag/32/573_2.png) [@johnag](https://forum.logik.tv/u/johnag)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/69 "2022-02-03T13:17:51Z")
If you need it now then I would go with the m1 maxed out laptop not the iMac. From what I’ve read the m1 laptops are as fast as my 64gig/128 10 core iMacPro. I think the next gen imacpro will be worth waiting for and if rumours are correct will be faster than the laptops ---
**Author:** ![dcrites](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/dcrites/32/8924_2.png) [@dcrites](https://forum.logik.tv/u/dcrites)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 1:30pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/70 "2022-02-03T13:30:53Z")
Lead times on the M1 max MacBook Pro are still 6-8 weeks. Mine won’t arrive until after March 15 ---
**Author:** ![TonyRichards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/50afbb/32.png) [@TonyRichards](https://forum.logik.tv/u/TonyRichards)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/71 "2022-02-03T15:57:58Z")
Seeing what the M1ProMax is capable of, I’d be very cautious about buying an existing Intel and even the latest iteration of the intel Alderlake chip (not in any Apple product) that seems to be fighting back in its speed, is ramping up the Watts. It’s really a certainty that the M1 (M2?) is going to migrate to the bigger beasts and one can only imagine what that is going to do where there is more space to play with. 128 Graphics cores instead of 32? 40 CPU cores instead of 10? Wowza in an iMacPro. Wowza at the thought, and then comes the MacPro. Maybe they stick with updated Intel, but it’s very unlikely and so that might go down some crazy route and blow everything out of the water? If I were not wanting to buy the existing laptop (but it’s a workstation that you can transport and then plug into a bigger system with the lid shut!) beast, I’d certainly not buy any existing Intel system, unless it was seriously cheap in some kind of deal. I’d either buy the laptop, or wait until the iMacPro M-Whatever and then hold off for a little while yet on the wastebin and wonder at the speed increase come whenever this year when you see how far apart they are. You won’t have anything near that experience going to the existing iMacProIntel, so why piss your future self off when it comes to that time. Be friends with your future self and either wait until the big iMacPro MWhatever beat comes out or get that lovely MacBookProM1ProMax now. I’m tres happy, but I wanted a laptop anyway, and got a workstation into the bargain. Then there’s the hoped for update of Flame to go native. If it is correct that Rosetta shaves 15-20% off the speed and it’s already this good, then not buying Intel gets you a serious update when it does go native, which hopefully will not be in a distant future but a close-ish one. As it is it doesn’t feel in any way at all emulated, and so the non-emulated silicon will be even more of a beast and be another knock to any investment made down the Intel route. Cheers Tony ---
**Author:** ![toodee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/toodee/32/2681_2.png) [@toodee](https://forum.logik.tv/u/toodee)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2022, 6:59am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/72 "2022-02-06T06:59:09Z")
Hi Randy, thanks for continuing the Flame Benchmark and the hosting of the archive file. On my initial page [https://www.toodee.de/?page\_id=579](https://www.toodee.de/?page_id=579) I never shared a link for the test results, because I was afraid that it ends up with spam over time. Is there a place here on logik that I could link to? I recently got a M1-MAX MBP and I am running Flame for tests on it. I thought about revamping the test, but then again its complicated to keep track of the changes and makes the benchmark less easy to compare. I see that you the benchmark is called Flame 2020 4K? Is the whole sequence now changed to 4k? Is this the latest version of the benchmark? I would like to write a litte update on my website at some point and then also host again the most recent version of the test. Thanks, Daniel ---
**Author:** ![Jotoku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jotoku](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Jotoku)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 4:10am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/73 "2022-02-07T04:10:33Z")
Curious how Alder Lake on Linux performance be. Very attainable hardware ---
**Author:** ![blakieman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@blakieman](https://forum.logik.tv/u/blakieman)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 5:11am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/74 "2022-02-07T05:11:25Z")
I read that Linux doesn’t take advantage of all the things intel did in this new chip which is why it performs best on windows 11. Even the windows 10 scheduler can’t fully benefit from this chip either. I think the AMD ryzen 5950X still outperforms on linux vs. intel 12900K, but would love to see actual benchmark. ---
**Author:** ![Jotoku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/49beb7/32.png) [@Jotoku](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Jotoku)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2022, 5:24am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/75 "2022-02-07T05:24:06Z")
Guess will have to wait and see for a variant with no E-cores but all P ones. Ryzen 7000 are around the corner also ---
**Author:** ![gizmorivera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/57b2e6/32.png) [@gizmorivera](https://forum.logik.tv/u/gizmorivera)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2022, 7:53am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/76 "2022-02-19T07:53:01Z")
|gizmo rivera|Feb.18,2022|5:16|5:18.29|Mac OS Monterey|Apple M1 Max Cores: 32|Apple M1 Max 16 inch 64gig ram||| |gizmo rivera 8k|Feb.18,2022|10:12|10:29.54|Mac OS Monterey|Apple M1 Max Cores: 32|Apple M1 Max 16 inch 64gig ram||| impressive ---
**Author:** ![ben\_ravalec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c6cbf5/32.png) [@ben\_ravalec](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ben_ravalec)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 9:13am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/77 "2022-02-21T09:13:31Z")
Hello all Has anyone tested flame ( or other softwares )on M1 chip ( Mac mini or iMac )? I’m wondering how they behave for editing and light compositing. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 12:19pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/78 "2022-02-21T12:19:38Z")
Yup. Rumor has it several artists here enjoy their M1 purchases, with benchmarks showing that M1 Max performance on the MacBook Pros are close to 2019 Mac Pros and z840s with P6000s. Linux likely still outperforms in heavy GPU tasks and machine Learning tasks, but M1 seems like a great value. ---
**Author:** ![ben\_ravalec](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c6cbf5/32.png) [@ben\_ravalec](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ben_ravalec)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 4:54pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/79 "2022-02-21T16:54:06Z")
Thanks randy ---
**Author:** ![Sebeuh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Sebeuh](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Sebeuh)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/80 "2022-02-21T18:24:36Z")
Hello, thanks everyone for yours feedbacks about the last Mac book pro. I’m considering buying one, with M1max, do you think 64g of ram worth it or not ? Is the flame really demanding in term of Ram ? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Sebeuh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Sebeuh](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Sebeuh)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/82 "2022-02-21T19:32:24Z")
Hello, thanks you , yes that’s the same delays everywhere I suppose… ---
**Author:** ![andymilkis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/andymilkis/32/11067_2.png) [@andymilkis](https://forum.logik.tv/u/andymilkis)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/83 "2022-02-21T23:22:42Z")
I have an Intel MBP with 64GB and I don’t think I’ve rarely used more than 40GB ever. But I got the 64 because the machines cannot be upgraded, and the stuff we do isn’t getting less complex. Also, with M1 sharing memory between system and GPU you’re prob better off getting more. ---
**Author:** ![rjino](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee59a6/32.png) [@rjino](https://forum.logik.tv/u/rjino)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/84 "2022-02-22T00:44:15Z")
Exactly my reasoning…👍 ---
**Author:** ![Antonknee](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/antonknee/32/383_2.png) [@Antonknee](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Antonknee)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 5:31pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/85 "2022-03-09T17:31:12Z")
Hi Jon, long time no see!! How the bloody hell are you? What keyboard did you choose on the Mac book, if you chose the US is the Tilda key in the PC position? ---
**Author:** ![Jonhollis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/jonhollis/32/11832_2.png) [@Jonhollis](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Jonhollis)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875/86 "2022-03-09T17:43:14Z")
Hey. How’s things. I always use US keyboards. Which is a pain for everything apart from the tilda being in the right place. Hope all is well. [Previous page](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forum.logik.tv/t/new-update-flame-now-supports-apple-m1/4875.md?page=5)