# Shake/Nuke guy learning Flame **URL:** \ **Category:** Between Renders\ **Tags:** tutorials, training\ **Created:** [July 8, 2023, 2:53am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716 "2023-07-08T02:53:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ean](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/ean/32/7169_2.png) [@ean](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ean)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 2:53am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/1 "2023-07-08T02:53:29Z")
Hi Logik community! My name is Ean, long-time Shake/Nuke compositor and supervisor. I heard about your forum I think from Reddit a few months ago and have been checking it out incognito since then. I’m here to learn Flame and am happy I’ve found a forum that I can tell is really friendly and knowledgeable. I first started learning on Inferno I would say in maybe 2000 or 2001. Was really young then, working at a large VFX house, and would stay nights to try to teach myself. The only resource I had though was the official manual and, rarely, the senior inferno artists, but they had gone home or were busy, so I was mostly left by myself. And it was quite intimidating and confusing, so I quickly gave up and went back to Icy, Shake and later Nuke. I wish I’d kept at Inferno though. And here I find myself all these years later with a bit of a VFX industry slow-down and thought “let’s give learning Flame a go!” (Seems Inferno is no longer a thing.) I just want to ask you fine people if I’m on the right track, after perusing other posts in the forum about learning, if these resources are the way to go on my journey to learning Flame: - Autodesk documentation on setting up Flame on AWS (I know AWS decently well so can follow what look like their thorough instructions to set myself up) - FXPHD Flame for Nuke series by Sam. I have a feeling these will help me most since I know Nuke inside out. - The tutorials here on Logik. - Grant’s tutorials on the Autodesk learning channel on YouTube. And after I finish all those, a friend has just shot a music video that needs a few beauty fixes and grade. It’s the perfect real project… not too difficult. I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts! Thank you kindly, and glad to be here, Ean ---
**Author:** ![milanesa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b77776/32.png) [@milanesa](https://forum.logik.tv/u/milanesa)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 3:02am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/2 "2023-07-08T03:02:53Z")
Just go for it. A music video is a perfect project for Flame. A few of us here are also Nuke users. You are in the right place. ---
**Author:** ![joelosis](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/joelosis/32/72_2.png) [@joelosis](https://forum.logik.tv/u/joelosis)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/3 "2023-07-08T03:10:14Z")
I came from shake a long long time ago so flame should not be a problem ---
**Author:** ![BrittCiampa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ec9cab/32.png) [@BrittCiampa](https://forum.logik.tv/u/BrittCiampa)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 3:34am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/4 "2023-07-08T03:34:23Z")
But @joelosis is also being modest and he’s a flame legend and his tutorials should be on the must watch list as well… [Joel Osis - YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/@JoelOsis/featured) ---
**Author:** ![Jerem](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/jerem/32/6903_2.png) [@Jerem](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Jerem)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 9:04am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/5 "2023-07-08T09:04:14Z")
Hey Ean ! All your References are very good. Logik live on youtube is gold, love to meet all those great artists sharing their way of working. You can also look at Mihran Stepanyan on Youtube he made very nice video, very well explained. As mentioned Joel Osis videos are amazing Too. I’ve learnt a lot from those two Flame Artist 🤗 This conference from Greg-Paul Malone is also very great [Greg-Paul Malone: Senior Flame Artist tells all - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NWZlRR0qY) Try also to download and open Archive from One Frame of White on the Logik website, some tricks are amazing inside. You can also look at lewis sanders on youtube, he showed examples of matchbox he created. Don’t forget to install this [Logik Portal — Flame Python Scripts](https://www.pyflame.com/python-scripts/logik-portal) For matchbox and script inside Flame, built by community. You also have flame Documentation very usefull sometime : [Help](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2024/ENU/) With your background I’m confident 😉 Good luck ! ---
**Author:** ![johnt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/johnt/32/14040_2.png) [@johnt](https://forum.logik.tv/u/johnt)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 2:09pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/6 "2023-07-08T14:09:41Z")
> [@ean](#): > > … by Sam. I have a feeling these will help me most since I know Nuke inside out.The tutorials here on Logik.Grant’s tutorials on the Autodesk learning channel on YouTube.And after I finish all those, a friend has just shot a music video that needs a few beauty fixes and grade. It’s the perfect real project… not too difficult.I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts!Thank you kindly, and glad to be here,Ean I think you’ll probably find Grants tutorials and the FXPHD course the most beneficial. It’s all about knowing where things are. Flame was very module based and as such things can tend to be hidden or at least, not in plain view. Once you get your head around the logic (discreet\*), it does start to become more instinctual. All the things you know in Nuke are here but in a different place. It would be great to hear how the music video goes. I booked in my own music video job when I was learning. It was difficult but very useful: the deadline sharpened my concentration. ---
**Author:** ![GPM](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/gpm/32/4224_2.png) [@GPM](https://forum.logik.tv/u/GPM)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/7 "2023-07-08T14:30:15Z")
Hi Ean. Schedule permitting, when you’re on the music video, I can screen share with you and walk you through my basic Flame beauty rig. There is lots of beauty work out there. ---
**Author:** ![snacks](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/snacks/32/4834_2.png) [@snacks](https://forum.logik.tv/u/snacks)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/8 "2023-07-08T16:52:13Z")
> [@ean](#): > > - Autodesk documentation on setting up Flame on AWS (I know AWS decently well so can follow what look like their thorough instructions to set myself up) > - FXPHD Flame for Nuke series by Sam. I have a feeling these will help me most since I know Nuke inside out. > - The tutorials here on Logik. > - Grant’s tutorials on the Autodesk learning channel on YouTube. Think about adding Logik Pro to the list ([pro.logik.tv](http://pro.logik.tv)). The classes are run by people here on the forums and the discord channel and run the gamut of topics. Classes are update pretty frequently and are available live and via recording. @Josh_Laurence is currently running a 10 part class (and counting) centered on a beauty job from initial conform through beauty work and deliverables. It’s very in-depth and could be pretty beneficial for your music video. ---
**Author:** ![ean](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/ean/32/7169_2.png) [@ean](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ean)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/9 "2023-07-09T02:49:35Z")
Thanks for your advice @milanesa @joelosis @BrittCiampa @Jerem @johnt @GPM @snacks ! Ok, here’s my updated Flame lesson plan, in case it helps anyone else: - [Autodesk Flame Family Cloud Reference Implementation](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2023/ENU/?guid=Cloud_Reference_Implementation) - [FXPHD Flame for Nuke series](https://www.fxphd.com/details/549/) by Sam - The [Learning](https://www.logik.tv/learning) portal here on Logik. - [The Flame Learning Channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSsh51xYqNOpiDTfvnnzyww) by Grant / Autodesk - [Joel Osis](https://m.youtube.com/@JoelOsis/featured) on YouTube - [Mihran Stepanyan](https://www.youtube.com/c/MihranStepanyan?app=desktop) on YouTube - [Greg-Paul Malone: Senior Flame Artist tells all - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NWZlRR0qY) - [One Frame of White](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/). In 1999, Discreet Logic (now Autodesk) launched a contest called _One Frame of White_. The challenge: Use any of the tools in Flame to create the most amazing thing you can think of, using only one frame of white as your source. The contest ran once, and became the stuff of legend. In 2014, the [New York Flame User Group](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/ny-flame-user-group) revived _One Frame of White_, offering a new generation of Flame Artists the opportunity to push themselves, and Flame, to new limits. - Lewis Sanders on YouTube. @Jerem do you have a link to this? I don’t think I found the right Lewis Sanders googling around. - [Logik Portal — Flame Python Scripts](https://www.pyflame.com/python-scripts/logik-portal). For matchbox and script inside Flame, built by community. - [Autodesk Flame docs](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2024/ENU/). - [Logik Academy Pro](https://pro.logik.tv/home). The Logik Academy Pro is a virtual educational platform designed to connect sharers and learners within the Autodesk Flame and visual effects communities. @johnt will keep you posted on the music video, thanks. And @GPM I’d love to have that screen share with you. Let me get through some of the above learning first and will hit you up. Thanks gents for the support. Ean ---
**Author:** ![johnt](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/johnt/32/14040_2.png) [@johnt](https://forum.logik.tv/u/johnt)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 7:05am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/10 "2023-07-09T07:05:14Z")
Lewis Saunders @lewis https://www.youtube.com/embed/videoseries?list=PLqfk4mdQn0sWs_qpDz-Slwt2F8S-98TOF&wmode=transparent&rel=0&autohide=1&showinfo=1&enablejsapi=1 ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2023, 2:03pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/11 "2023-07-09T14:03:33Z")
Welcome Ean! It was probably me on Reddit way back then yapping on about Flame. I’m the forum admin here and our Discord…don’t forget to add our Discord to your list. > **[Join the Logik Discord Server!](https://discord.com/invite/xzpU8gmR?utm_source=Discord%20Widget&utm_medium=Connect)** > > Check out the Logik community on Discord - hang out with 675 other members and enjoy free voice and text chat. I’m also behind the Logik Academy Pro at [http://pro.logik.tv](http://pro.logik.tv) and one of the Professors there. I’m glad you found us, and super excited you posted. Welcome! @randy ---
**Author:** ![ean](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/ean/32/7169_2.png) [@ean](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ean)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/12 "2023-07-10T00:33:25Z")
Thanks @johnt, hey @randy, updated the list… - [Autodesk Flame Family Cloud Reference Implementation](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2023/ENU/?guid=Cloud_Reference_Implementation) - [FXPHD Flame for Nuke series](https://www.fxphd.com/details/549/) by Sam - The [Learning](https://www.logik.tv/learning) portal here on Logik. - [The Flame Learning Channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSsh51xYqNOpiDTfvnnzyww) by Grant / Autodesk - [Joel Osis](https://m.youtube.com/@JoelOsis/featured) on YouTube - [Mihran Stepanyan](https://www.youtube.com/c/MihranStepanyan?app=desktop) on YouTube - [Greg-Paul Malone: Senior Flame Artist tells all - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NWZlRR0qY) - [One Frame of White](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/). In 1999, Discreet Logic (now Autodesk) launched a contest called _One Frame of White_. The challenge: Use any of the tools in Flame to create the most amazing thing you can think of, using only one frame of white as your source. The contest ran once, and became the stuff of legend. In 2014, the [New York Flame User Group](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/ny-flame-user-group) revived _One Frame of White_, offering a new generation of Flame Artists the opportunity to push themselves, and Flame, to new limits. - [Lewis Sanders](https://www.youtube.com/@lewissaunders) on YouTube. - [Logik Portal — Flame Python Scripts](https://www.pyflame.com/python-scripts/logik-portal). For matchbox and script inside Flame, built by community. - [Autodesk Flame docs](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2024/ENU/). - [Logik Academy Pro](https://pro.logik.tv/home). The Logik Academy Pro is a virtual educational platform designed to connect sharers and learners within the Autodesk Flame and visual effects communities. - [Logik Discord Server](https://discord.com/invite/xzpU8gmR?utm_source=Discord%20Widget&utm_medium=Connect) ---
**Author:** ![SamE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@SamE](https://forum.logik.tv/u/SamE)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 5:44am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/13 "2023-07-16T05:44:10Z")
> [@ean](#): > > … by Sam. I have a feeling these will help me most since I know Nuke inside out.The tutorials here on Logik.Grant’s tutorials on the Autodesk learning channel on YouTube.And after I finish all those, a friend has just shot a music video that needs a few beauty fixes and grade. It’s the perfect real project… not too difficult.I’d love to hear anyone’s thoughts!Thank you kindly, and glad to be here,Ean I’m here, if you have any questions…. ---
**Author:** ![ean](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/ean/32/7169_2.png) [@ean](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ean)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/14 "2023-07-17T12:32:22Z")
Awesome, hi Sam. Already through the first couple vids. Will shout for sure if I run into any snags. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Fabi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/fabi/32/14709_2.png) [@Fabi](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Fabi)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2023, 10:08am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/15 "2023-08-28T10:08:33Z")
> [@ean](#): > > Thanks for your advice I’d love to have that screen share with you. Let me get through some of the above learning first and will hit you up. Thanks gents for the support. > > Ean @ean the list is great! I have a trainee who will learn flame and the list is great once he understands the basics. thank you! ---
**Author:** ![Viktor.S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c2a13f/32.png) [@Viktor.S](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Viktor.S)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/16 "2023-08-30T17:58:10Z")
Hello, there are lot of great advice’s here 🙂 ,my 2 cents. I would recommend to start with Autodesk Flame Fundamentals on youtube. Grant Key did amazing job on those. There are also lot of small videos about different topics so you can jump on topics that interest you most. FXPHD are very good, but little to advanced as professors are more focused on their workflow, how to solve problems, and sometimes it gets little confused. But after few viewings it clicks. As Sam Edward said “Learning Flame is hard, but we will stick to it”. Happy flaming. ---
**Author:** ![ean](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/ean/32/7169_2.png) [@ean](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ean)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/17 "2023-09-28T13:59:00Z")
Hi @Viktor.S, thanks for your input; I’ve added as you suggest Grant’s Flame Fundamentals to the list under The Flame Learning Channel item. I actually started with these by accident months ago, so I guess that was a happy coincidence. @SamE, I finished your Flame for Nuke course on fxphd. Thanks for taking the time to make that… I’m a bit more confident with the software now. And it looks like they fixed your viewer filter pet peeve some time over the last few years since you made that. Lucky us. Right? Updated list for those following along at home: - [Autodesk Flame Family Cloud Reference Implementation](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2023/ENU/?guid=Cloud_Reference_Implementation) - [FXPHD Flame for Nuke series](https://www.fxphd.com/details/549/) by Sam - The [Learning](https://www.logik.tv/learning)portal here on Logik. - [The Flame Learning Channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSsh51xYqNOpiDTfvnnzyww) by Grant / Autodesk. Start with his [Flame Fundamentals](https://www.youtube.com/@Autodesk_Flame/playlists) series. - [Joel Osis](https://m.youtube.com/@JoelOsis/featured) on YouTube - [Mihran Stepanyan](https://www.youtube.com/c/MihranStepanyan?app=desktop) on YouTube - [Greg-Paul Malone: Senior Flame Artist tells all - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NWZlRR0qY) - [One Frame of White](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/). In 1999, Discreet Logic (now Autodesk) launched a contest called _One Frame of White_. The challenge: Use any of the tools in Flame to create the most amazing thing you can think of, using only one frame of white as your source. The contest ran once, and became the stuff of legend. In 2014, the [New York Flame User Group](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/ny-flame-user-group) revived _One Frame of White_, offering a new generation of Flame Artists the opportunity to push themselves, and Flame, to new limits. - [Lewis Sanders](https://www.youtube.com/@lewissaunders) on YouTube. - [Logik Portal — Flame Python Scripts](https://www.pyflame.com/python-scripts/logik-portal). For matchbox and script inside Flame, built by community. - [Autodesk Flame docs](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2024/ENU/). - [Logik Academy Pro](https://pro.logik.tv/home). The Logik Academy Pro is a virtual educational platform designed to connect sharers and learners within the Autodesk Flame and visual effects communities. - [Logik Discord Server](https://discord.com/invite/xzpU8gmR?utm_source=Discord%20Widget&utm_medium=Connect) ---
**Author:** ![Viktor.S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/c2a13f/32.png) [@Viktor.S](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Viktor.S)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:25am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/18 "2023-09-29T06:25:54Z")
That is cool list, thanks for compiling it. ---
**Author:** ![ean](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/ean/32/7169_2.png) [@ean](https://forum.logik.tv/u/ean)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2023, 1:22pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/shake-nuke-guy-learning-flame/8716/19 "2023-10-08T13:22:25Z")
Updated the link to the new Logik Academy Pro 2.0 (looks cool @randy) - [Autodesk Flame Family Cloud Reference Implementation](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2023/ENU/?guid=Cloud_Reference_Implementation) - [FXPHD Flame for Nuke series](https://www.fxphd.com/details/549/) by Sam - [The Flame Learning Channel](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSsh51xYqNOpiDTfvnnzyww) by Grant / Autodesk. Start with his [Flame Fundamentals](https://www.youtube.com/@Autodesk_Flame/playlists) series. - [Joel Osis](https://m.youtube.com/@JoelOsis/featured) on YouTube - [Mihran Stepanyan](https://www.youtube.com/c/MihranStepanyan?app=desktop) on YouTube - [Greg-Paul Malone: Senior Flame Artist tells all - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-NWZlRR0qY) - [One Frame of White](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/). In 1999, Discreet Logic (now Autodesk) launched a contest called _One Frame of White_. The challenge: Use any of the tools in Flame to create the most amazing thing you can think of, using only one frame of white as your source. The contest ran once, and became the stuff of legend. In 2014, the [New York Flame User Group](http://www.oneframeofwhite.com/ny-flame-user-group) revived _One Frame of White_, offering a new generation of Flame Artists the opportunity to push themselves, and Flame, to new limits. - [Lewis Sanders](https://www.youtube.com/@lewissaunders) on YouTube. - [Logik Portal — Flame Python Scripts](https://www.pyflame.com/python-scripts/logik-portal). For matchbox and script inside Flame, built by community. - [Autodesk Flame docs](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2024/ENU/). - [Logik Academy Pro 2.0](https://logikacademypro.com/). The ultimate educational hub for Autodesk Flame Artists, offering training, mentorship, and networking. - [Logik Discord Server](https://discord.com/invite/xzpU8gmR?utm_source=Discord%20Widget&utm_medium=Connect)