# Timeline editing weirdness **URL:** \ **Category:** Flame Questions\ **Tags:** timeline, editing\ **Created:** [December 7, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/timeline-editing-weirdness/9610 "2023-12-07T12:49:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Sinan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/sinan/32/155_2.png) [@Sinan](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Sinan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/timeline-editing-weirdness/9610/1 "2023-12-07T12:49:34Z")
I realized something weird happening on the “Frame field” number indicator. When I edit on the timeline, if I cut and remove the first segment on a timeline, the first frame doesn’t stay as 1, but rather has a value of (head handles of first segment + 1)… This is on Flame 2024.1, Rocky 8.7 Am I missing something, was this behaviour always like that? [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thedepartmentofexternalservices/original/2X/6/623ab79311751b0f721b573fdc0b45998ca55666.jpeg "Autodesk Flame 2024.1 timeline weirdness") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgJj-yHHonc) [@FriendsFromAutodesk](https://forum.logik.tv/groups/friendsfromautodesk) ---
**Author:** ![fredwarren](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/fredwarren/32/158_2.png) [@fredwarren](https://forum.logik.tv/u/fredwarren)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 1:04pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/timeline-editing-weirdness/9610/2 "2023-12-07T13:04:54Z")
Hello Sinan, The behaviour was changed in the 2024 version with the introduction of the Start Frame improvements. [https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2024/ENU/?guid=GUID-85275C7C-A1C5-42A0-9900-4970DDD59D38](https://help.autodesk.com/view/FLAME/2024/ENU/?guid=GUID-85275C7C-A1C5-42A0-9900-4970DDD59D38) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/uploads/thedepartmentofexternalservices/original/2X/d/d286d34aea96ef5a4a8579dccfe52c7c2a7f28d4.jpeg "Metadata Improvements - Start Frame - Flame 2024") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmN7hPIXc9U) In the past, it wasn’t possible to have a clip start at another value than 1, which was causing problems in pipeline using other products. ---
**Author:** ![Sinan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/sinan/32/155_2.png) [@Sinan](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Sinan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 1:25pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/timeline-editing-weirdness/9610/3 "2023-12-07T13:25:17Z")
Thank you @fredwarren I’ll have to dive into it to get the behaviour I am used to. Or I’ll have to get used to the new one 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sinan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/sinan/32/155_2.png) [@Sinan](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Sinan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 1:36pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/timeline-editing-weirdness/9610/4 "2023-12-07T13:36:19Z")
Thing is, when I extend the tail of the trimmed clip (which has the first frame numbered as 51) one frame and create a cut at the last frame, the first frame of the clip then becomes 1 as I would like it. I don’t get how creating a cut at the end of the segment, changes the first frame number… After having watched the video (thanks @Jeff) I am still stumped on using timeline editing to cut down offline exports. The QuickTime video I was working on, in the video I recorded, has all different versions of the tvc in one file, because the offline editor chose to export them as a single clip. As I go about cutting it down, the start frames are defined by the place of the specific frame from the first frame of the video clip. When I try to change the start frame, Flame gives me “The Start Frame cannot become lower than 0. Make sure the clip does not have media in the head handle.” So, I first need to consolidate the handles and then change the start frame. But since you can’t consolidate the handles of multiple clips in one go I either have to individually select the clips, consolidate handles or I need to copy them to another reel, Splice the reel, consolidate the handles on the spliced segments, then cut at splices and move them over to the reel I want. There are 40 ways to skin a cat, but my cat became so much more tedious to skin. /rant off ---
**Author:** ![bryanb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/bryanb/32/136_2.png) [@bryanb](https://forum.logik.tv/u/bryanb)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/timeline-editing-weirdness/9610/5 "2023-12-07T16:19:37Z")
Do you get similar results with Ripple off? It seems like a visual bug or something not updating until you do another timeline edit. I’m gonna try it out. ---
**Author:** ![bryanb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/bryanb/32/136_2.png) [@bryanb](https://forum.logik.tv/u/bryanb)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/timeline-editing-weirdness/9610/6 "2023-12-07T16:31:50Z")
Yes I’m getting the same thing wether Ripple is on or off. And I’ve messed around with the preference for start frame and still see this happen.