# WWDC 2023 Megathread **URL:** \ **Category:** Between Renders\ **Tags:** wwdc\ **Created:** [June 5, 2023, 5:30pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523 "2023-06-05T17:30:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![whysoda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cdc98d/32.png) [@whysoda](https://forum.logik.tv/u/whysoda)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 8:25pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/21 "2023-06-06T20:25:25Z")
> [@Sinan](#): > > Ordered a MacStudio today. Will arrive end of July. Expect test results early August. Can’t wait to hear all about it! I’m very heavily contemplating upgrading to the MacStudio, but held off until the M2 chip was announced. Good to see if finally make an appearance, the M1 was a beast in its own right ---
**Author:** ![MarkH](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/markh/32/13337_2.png) [@MarkH](https://forum.logik.tv/u/MarkH)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/22 "2023-06-06T20:45:18Z")
> [@eric\_mason](#): > > …t type of internal RAID options might be available for the Pro, since max proc, RAM, and internal SSD can be maxed out identically between the two. Racking a Pro would be pretty sweet, and tidy/self-contained, if there are internal PCI RAIDs available for it for a framestore. Otherwise, I think Studio all the way. Does anyone know if there are internal RAID options for the Pro that are flame-worthy? As Randy mentioned there are several card options. Just make sure you’re ordering a Gen4 Raid card and nvme drives. Even if you search **gen 4 nvme m.2** there are gen 3 drives that get mixed into the results. ---
**Author:** ![johnag](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/johnag/32/573_2.png) [@johnag](https://forum.logik.tv/u/johnag)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/23 "2023-06-06T22:11:46Z")
> [@randy](#): > > around $1,000 you can get 8TB of shit hot 10GBs+ storage. I’m assuming that the pci bus for storage will be faster than an external thubderbolt nvme solution? Whats the bandwidth of the pci bus when it comes to storage ---
**Author:** ![eric\_mason](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/eric_mason/32/257_2.png) [@eric\_mason](https://forum.logik.tv/u/eric_mason)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 12:22am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/24 "2023-06-07T00:22:14Z")
> [@randy](#): > > Samsung Pro 970s are dirt cheap right now. So, for right around $1,000 you can get 8TB of shit hot 10GBs+ storage. Thanks @randy, you’ve got me going down the rabbit hole a bit. Apparently OWC has an 8-NVME slot heatsink/fan cooled Gen4 PCIe (what the MacPro has), running at [26,000MB/s?!?](https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDACL8M216T/) 16TB is $2500 bucks. 8TB is $1750 Superfast, quiet non-spinning disk storage (plus no external enclosures / power supplies), the Mac Pro has me really intrigued now… ---
**Author:** ![cnoellert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/cnoellert/32/559_2.png) [@cnoellert](https://forum.logik.tv/u/cnoellert)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/25 "2023-06-07T01:22:57Z")
Yeah. I’m intrigued as well. Throw in a $200 Decklink and a Highpoint and off to the races in a single, quiet box with onboard 10gig. Just want to see how fast it is… ---
**Author:** ![eric\_mason](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/eric_mason/32/257_2.png) [@eric\_mason](https://forum.logik.tv/u/eric_mason)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 7:37am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/26 "2023-06-07T07:37:48Z")
Judging by how many logik folks are enjoying the M1 Studios, and MacBook Pro performance, I’d venture to guess it’s serviceable. Still may not be as fast as the fastest Linux threadripper, but Flame, Resolve, Ableton/ProTools all on one machine? This might be my stop… Question though. Are the high point and sonnet pci nvme raids preferable over the owc stuff? I’m not terribly versed in the best pci enclosures and nvme sticks. @randy, you seem to have done your homework on this? ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 12:38pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/27 "2023-06-07T12:38:46Z")
I like the Highpoints. I’ve got the 7504 and a few of the 7101-a. A member of this forum have had very bad experiences with the 8 bay cards from Highpoint and Mac. It’s unknown whether that problem is with the card or with Mac. I’ve had perfect experience with the 8 bay cards and Linux. Five bucks says you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference in real world performance of any of those enclosures. Id go for some thing that is readily available, moderately priced, and get a back up card. Or perhaps even a used one off of eBay as a back up. ---
**Author:** ![cnoellert](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/cnoellert/32/559_2.png) [@cnoellert](https://forum.logik.tv/u/cnoellert)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/28 "2023-06-07T15:46:39Z")
> [@eric\_mason](#): > > serviceable. Still may not be as fast as the fastest Linux threadripper, but Flame, Resolve, Ableton/ProTools all on one machine? This might be my stop… I recently bought my own box and after a bit of obsessive deliberation/rumination went for a P620/5955/128gb/2tb/a5000rtx/Highpoint7504/4x2tb NVME/Decklink combo. All in with tax I came in just under 5.6k USD. I bought some bits open box, some bits refurbed and some bits new. For me, the notion of being able to have a machine that could grow with my needs outweighed the mac factor—if I need more performance, I just buy the bits I need and I still have my M1 Max laptop sitting beside which can do it all in a pinch. It doesn’t mean that I don’t see value in the MacPro, but for 12k all in and no option to upgrade ram/gpu/cpu, I’d want a machine performing at the top end of the benchmark so it would remain viable for say 36-48 months of amortization. I firmly believe the P620 will hobble nicely over that line with (some) grace given the cpu can be popped out, a new GPU can be added and ram upgrades abound. I suspect that **this** MacPro could come close despite lacking access to all those things and that’s pretty exciting. ---
**Author:** ![eric\_mason](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/eric_mason/32/257_2.png) [@eric\_mason](https://forum.logik.tv/u/eric_mason)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/29 "2023-06-07T17:46:03Z")
100% @cnoellert, I hear ya. Literally half the cost for a high performing homebuilt Flame. Makes total sense. Those little Decklink cards are perfect too! For my uses, consolidating into a single Mac ecosystem outweighs having multiple machines (I still have my 2012 Retina, which miraculously still lives), I lean pretty heavily on music software & would be looking at PCI DSP cards, etc to further minimize outboard gear as well. Not to mention all the other outboard stuff I could consolidate, dumping everything into one chassis. Given I’m typing this on my 2017 iMac Pro gives me a little sense of solace that I should be able to get either a Studio or Pro across the 4 year mark. Also doing a fair bit of PCOIP, trying to factor that in as well… @randy thanks for the tips on the PCI NVME cards! Roger on the extra card as well. I have an identical drive sitting around for my spinning RAID somewhere… Have you ever had a NVME stick fail? Zero NVME experience here, but really excited at the prospects. Audio, much like image sequences is all about multi-file read speed etc, so this is really promising on a lot of fronts. ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 5:49pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/30 "2023-06-07T17:49:32Z")
> [@eric\_mason](#): > > Have you ever had a NVME stick fail? No but it happens. They are so cheap these days, less than an hour’s wages. Heck, for about a day’s wages you can get a whole backup set of x4 NVME and a RAID card. Sleep easy, yeah? ---
**Author:** ![hBomb42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bbce88/32.png) [@hBomb42](https://forum.logik.tv/u/hBomb42)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 6:03pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/31 "2023-06-07T18:03:28Z")
So you just RAID-1 your 2 NVME cards? The fact that all these 4-stick setups are getting crazy speeds with Raid 0 scares me a little. That said I don’t think we’ve had to rebuild stones from parity since the IRIX days, but still… ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2023, 8:59pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/32 "2023-06-07T20:59:01Z")
Nah just RAID0 the primary and leave the backup on the shelf. It’s just a cache. All the important data is on a NAS with another local backup avail via high availability and another offsite backup. ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2023, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/33 "2023-06-11T17:52:42Z")
Wow. > **[Apple M2 Ultra GPU Outpaces RTX 4070 Ti in Early Compute Benchmarks](https://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-m2-ultra-graphics-outpaces-rtx-4070-ti-in-early-compute-benchmarks)** > > M2 Ultra with Metal API versus RTX 4070 Ti and RTX 4080 using OpenCL ---
**Author:** ![hBomb42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bbce88/32.png) [@hBomb42](https://forum.logik.tv/u/hBomb42)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/34 "2023-06-11T18:52:19Z")
Grats to Apple on their top tier workstation gpu tying Nvidia’s mid-tier gaming card from last year I guess? ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/35 "2023-06-11T22:44:11Z")
Yeah yeah, fair. But if you slap on a wider lens, it’s far more interesting. M2 Ultra has 192GB of RAM with 100% available to the GPU, 90w, tiny. 4070ti has 12GB of VRAM, 250w, double height. ---
**Author:** ![hBomb42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bbce88/32.png) [@hBomb42](https://forum.logik.tv/u/hBomb42)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/36 "2023-06-12T00:13:29Z")
Sure, the Nvidia card is an absolute pig compared to the M2. And I’ll bet Resolve absolutely screams on the new Studio and MP. I haven’t looked at Flame benchmarks in a bit, but when the M1 Studio came out it was benching slightly faster than my 6ish year-old z840/p6000. I’m really curious to see how things shake out after the Vulkanization is all said and done! ---
**Author:** ![AdamArcher](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/adamarcher/32/3529_2.png) [@AdamArcher](https://forum.logik.tv/u/AdamArcher)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/37 "2023-06-12T05:21:39Z")
In the current state of affairs, AI & ML on Apple Silicon is much, much slower than on NVIDIA but this will certainly change. As will Flame benchmarks for Apple Silicon vs Threadripper/NVIDIA, Linux will still be faster for Flame for the short term at the very least, but not so far ahead now that you were taking a massive Flame performance hit by heading down the Apple path. So in the end, it really is a personal decision and the best option is the one you decide is best for your use case. ---
**Author:** ![randy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/randy/32/6122_2.png) [@randy](https://forum.logik.tv/u/randy)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/38 "2023-06-15T12:53:44Z")
Well well well. > **[Apple M2 Studio Learns Nuke Machine Learning](https://www.fxguide.com/fxfeatured/apple-m2-studio-learns-nuke-machine-learning/)** > > The new NUKE with native CopyCat ML show why the new Apple M2 Ultra is a great Machine Learning VFX tool. ---
**Author:** ![eric\_mason](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex020/user_avatar/forum.logik.tv/eric_mason/32/257_2.png) [@eric\_mason](https://forum.logik.tv/u/eric_mason)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/39 "2023-06-16T16:22:40Z")
I’m sure Autodesk is aware of CopyCat and ML progress as of late… Here’s to hoping they’ll be able to keep up! ---
**Author:** ![Freebz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea666f/32.png) [@Freebz](https://forum.logik.tv/u/Freebz)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523/40 "2024-01-22T22:07:17Z")
> [@randy](#): > > …rom Highpoint and Mac. It’s unknown whether that problem is with the card or with Mac.I’ve had perfect experience with the 8 bay cards and Linux.Five bucks says you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference in real world performance of any of those enclosures.Id go for some thing that is readily available, moderately priced, and get a back up card. Or perhaps even a used one off of eBay as a back up. Out of curiosity, have you ever run into hardware compatibility issues with Highpoint 8 bay cards on Linux? We had a supplier push back at our decision to go for the Dell Threadripper configuration recommended by Autodesk and push us instead towards the HP. One of the concerns was compatibility as I understood it…but that doesn’t make much sense to me since the os will be the same and to my mind PCIe compatibility with these things is a binary it works or it doesn’t. [Previous page](https://forum.logik.tv/t/wwdc-2023-megathread/8523.md?page=1)