LucidLink Rugpull

In the early days LucidLink worked well and was pretty cool.

But the Enshitification occurred as always, and at this point I’ve heard so many horror stories from so many people, I think it’s as waste of time to even try to make it work. Move them to the compost heap in the back of the property.

In the early days they had some good dev folks (mostly based out of Bulgaria), but as it grew a combination of the good folks moving on to different projects, or rushed development because the investors wanted to fry Enterprise level (like FrameIO style) fish rather than people looking for some cost effective Wasabi cloud storage.

Wasabi is ok, but it’s not built for performance, and never claimed that. In the really early days of Lucid, they actually ran on the IBM cloud with affordable pricing, probably a deal IBM gave them to become a more known cloud player outside of their own little niche. But then Lucid grew and the deal became too expensive. So Lucid 2.0 came around with other storage options and no egress. But that was built on more unsustainable assumptions. So they rushed Lucid 3.0 and put it in market before it had feature parity and came up with odd stories on why they had to take the most popular option offline early. From what I hear customer support is not particularly good anymore either.

When it comes to pricing Cloud, one could say ‘it’s math’, it doesn’t bend to sheer will power or chicanery.

This is not an infrastructure company you can depend on. Imagine if your power utility operated that way?

Time to move on. I’ve already retired all my file spaces.

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what I dont understand with all of this is that somehow cloud storage in general has gotten more expensive over the years even tho harddrives and ssd prices have gone down massively.

Power prices went up but i dont know how that math worksout.

either they went super cheap in the beginning to make people move to cloud storage and then raise prices as they did now (see google and dropbox offering unlimited storage for quiet a bit) .

Or the demand for cloud storage has exploded so much that its just a supply and demand topic with serverroom space getting more expensive due to the demand of power and space and cooling from AI ?

I dont know, not a economist, but I just bought 16* 24 TB drives for the price of like 14 Euro per Terabyte… so like 5000 Euro for 384 TB… aka 180TB useable after all the redundancy and whatnot. so maybe 35 Euro per Terabyte + Power + cooling spares or something if you host massive storage yourself , over 3 years thats maybe 18 Euro/TB/ Year consindering everything.

so at $20 lucid wasabi was quiet affordable (however it didnt come with redundancy so you still had to back it up ) .

At $80 or now $94 this stuff is completely far of reasonable for anyone that has any IT skills and can press the purchase button on a qnap.

if the onprem stuff is more like 5 Years and not 3 Years you can see how that cloud storage math just aint mathing.

I don’t know if the core price of cloud storage at the actual providers (AWS, Azure, IBM) actually got more expensive, beyond basic inflation. I have a sense that there were lots of tricks played downstream and honey trap deals.

You’d have to go and pull up historical price data from AWS for 1GB/mo in the same storage class as well as egress fees. I have a suspicion that it didn’t move much.

There are other forces at play.

Yup…I’ve been saying it for years.

How are you loosing 100TB to RAID? raidz2 2x8?

Raid 5 - BTRFS on the synology chassis we are putting them in its a in place upgrade to the 8TB drives currently in there

I am loosing half the data because its 2 servers one is just for saving the snapshots of server one, for redundancy and crypto locker mitigation (second server is completely walled off from the world, only has a direct connection to NAS1 very very locked down with 2FA , immutable snapshots and all that jazz, they are also in different buildings for physical redundancy, you know things like that .

Hot storage : NVME qnap 40TB useable (can upgrade to 80 only half filled)

that does nightly backups to Synology1 ( 192TB coldstorage with a small 2TB NVME Cache )

which then pushes snapshots to Synolog2 ( 192TB backup storage, no cache)

the syno1 also runs a VM of Proxomox Backup server that also gets saved to syno2

that way active important project data is always 3 different servers.

Cold projects are on 2 servers and then archives get put on 2 LTOs and then these LTOs get seperated , one goes to my basement at home the other in a vault at the office.

we take data very serious :smiley: but we are also half a DIT/VTR business so it comes with the territory I guess.

Might add a LTO library at some point , idk. right now we have about maybe …

have not lost a piece of data in the 4 years? we operate so i am proud of that :smiley:

oh and then i also slow sync everything active storage up over night to google drive because we pay for it anyhow and might as well use it as a last resort disaster recovery option …

thats ye old cunoFS now under the storj umbrella. ill see whst their prices are - could be a cool thing as they dont use FUSE and claim to be super duper fast and they are posix compliant and apparently support hardlinks which would potentially make it “framestore compatible” ? ( maybe?!)

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Talking with them tomorrow… we’ll see…

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$0.02 - shared framestores over WAN seem unnecessary, IMO, YMMV.

Hard links for object storage systems is probably not ever going to happen because, well, object storage.

That’s not to say that there will never be some clever way of writing pointers to object stores that sort of works like hard links i guess?

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Agreed. I’m more after an LL replacement that is a jump forward and combines on-prem with cloud.

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Agreed - this whole market is still a deliberately obscure engineering conundrum.

Also, public cloud? hybrid cloud? private cloud?

Roll-your-own on-prem? Off-the-shelf on-prem? custom on-prem?

There appears to be no single solution, since some people do small data, and some people do big data.

I still think that Lucid Link is a valuable player for now, but more bespoke and apt solutions must exist (with a bit of effort).

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We’ll see. You can listen in if you want….

Send me the link brother - I’d be delighted

This is interesting. Not sure if this is exactly a replacement for Lucid but it could be. It’s in open beta but I bet you that isn’t something to dissuade the likes of @finnjaeger

Isn’t Strada Michael Cioni’s new gig? Would make sense after FrameIO and C2C.

100% correct. So I expect it will do what is suggested on the label.

Made me remember my old beloved Max-T Sledgehammer.. it had a web based media-browser and even editor. It would realtime and on the fly allow you do work with large dpx-sequences.. (I believe it converted it to jpg-something in the background) .. I could conform features on it even over sloppy internet. Such a great product.. and then they sold it to Avid..

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Not only that, but it was dual-link 444 and allowed for RS422 control so if you had a bunch of hardware color correctors you could use it as a player or a recorder or BOTH.

On the backend it was just a NAS so we used to run ours at Nordisk Film on IB to the Flames. it was really a great piece of kit.

I think I liked it more than the Clipster.

Sorry NAB always makes me go all nostalgic…

Edit: just saw the Clipster. Fucking thing still lives!

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