Stories of OLD FLAME

Yuck!

Not that long ago I was at a well-known vfx company that is attached to a well known color grading concern, and a job that had been prepped for data delivery was inexplicably laid off to D5, with 24 frame handles, and the associated timecode breaks, right up against each other. No cue up handles at all. This was for a multilayer edl with tons of events and only the vaguest of ref picture.

Now, maybe there are some real tape deck geniuses out there, but I could not and cannot figure out how to get flame to cue up a d5 in under a second. There was a lot of “not our problem” from both sets of engineers, and I finally had to throw a little tantrum to get it dropped on a drive. I don’t think I confirmed from tape more than a couple times after that, though, so that’s nice.

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Yes, good riddance with the decks… talk about tracking errors on those insane Sony D1s

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I once had a 7 minute video tutorial on editbox made by Quantel. Does anyone remember it. There was a spot on there going through a conform of a mini minor tvc.

Does anybody remember outputting from a Flint to the Accom WSD using serial digital? It was faster than SCSI. I believe there was a parallel to serial converter involved.
In my earliest Flint days I used to build a whole spot to the WSD, then hand carry it over to Post Perfect for output to D1.

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I remember the Accom A64. It was connected via serial digital and had 30 seconds per side. We A/B bounced many times to achieve lossless multilayering that was all controlled by DP Max.
Anyone here remember DP Max made by a company called ColorGraphics.

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Never touched it, or even saw it, but I worked at a place that ran DP Max in another office, well past the point where the manufacturer was an ongoing concern. They had resorted to buying old systems for parts when we started evaluating Smoke. The CFO came through suggesting we ditch Discreet and go with Jaleo because it was some fraction of the price “of the name brand” (like we were buying paper towels or something), and I got to enjoy pointing out that we “didn’t want to get into another DP Max situation.” I think I may have gotten the ol’ scratch the eye but I’m actually giving you the finger move.

There was also something called Venice, which was similar; a DDR driven compositing system. Blur had one. Came and went. It’s almost impossible to find any record of it ever existing now.

It’s one of the things that comes up a lot when people talk to me about the end of flame: how many companies (including discreet!) have tried to build flame-killing systems. Sony Socratto, Kodak Cineon, Foundry’s ongoing efforts, 5D Cyborg, Apple’s zombie Tremor, Imagineer’s whatever it was going to be called, etc. It’s nuts.

So true! There’s a loooong list.

I remember watching Sony’s reveal of the Socratto, either NAB or Siggraph. There was this tall guy next to me, we watched the whole thing together. I was thinking how much it looked like Flame, the UI at least. Then the guy turns to me and says “Looks a lot like Flame, doesn’t it?” I nod in agreement, we part ways, and then it dawns on me that he was Karl Sims.

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i have spent way too much time thinking about Flame’s longevity. To be fair 5D Cyborg was pretty close to a flame killer if they hadn’t structured the financing of the company like a texas hold’em card game. I think Flame dodged a bullet there. I have to believe other people in the industry saw the writing on the wall with cost of supporting such specialized and expensive gear that was already changing so quickly. As much as i love flame I also wouldn’t be too quick to throw accolades ADSK’s way. We are talking about a piece of software that was THE solution in film and advertising for years and then simply sat idle and watched as other companies slowly ate it’s lunch. No fault of the tireless and devoted dev team which seem to perform miracles to this day…

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You’re absolutely right. I’m not suggesting that autodesk has anything to crow about. If anything their product strategy where discreet was concerned was simply less self-immolating than the other guys (I drafted a whole essay about Toxik in my original reply, but it was way too insane to post, which is saying something). It just seems to me like all the other guys failed while autodesk and the senior discreet product strategy folks were figuring out what to do.

Welcome to my blog, by the way.

My last tour as showreel editor was in 2005, when the NAB booth would for the first time be branded with Autodesk signage, and Discreet would disappear, officially. It was the only time I ever sensed any pressure that The Reel had some purpose beyond showcasing great work and jazzing up the user group crowd. This year had to be a giant, balls-to-the-wall fireworks show that would tell everyone that the company on which they had staked their futures was not going anywhere.

If this were Apple or Adobe, a hundred people would spend a year figuring out what to do, but for some reason it was just me, a freelancer in a poorly ventilated room above an Italian restaurant, trying to find some combination of music and graphics that would convince everyone in VFX that the party wasn’t over yet. After banging my head against the wall for, I dunno, a week, I stumbled across a Marilyn Manson cover of Depeche Mode’s Personal Jesus, so I slapped it up against a chill but vaguely menacing Michael Buble video, cut in ten or fifteen seconds of the most intense clips we had, and walked away for the night without logging out of Smoke.

I came in the next day (late, likely hung over) to find the marketing folks standing in front of my machine, wide-eyed, but enthusiastic. The consensus was that this was what should be done, but it probably wouldn’t be allowed to be done. I kept looking for other tracks, but knew that nothing else was going to make the point they needed to make. I think we even cut an alt version, which would have been a first, but to everyone’s surprise, Personal Jesus was permitted, and the booth crew in Vegas had the pleasure of enduring my audio assault every twenty minutes for four days. Sorry everyone.

My point is that autodesk, while an unwelcome and often unstable steward of our beloved software, has always understood the prestige value of Flame. They have rarely acted well on that understanding (not mentioning Flame in a software release email to Flame artists is a facepalm moment for the ages), and it is without question that they could be doing more to promote the software and increase its adoption, but in a weird way their detached fecklessness might just be the one thing that’s kept Flame around when so many of its competitors have withered and died, or been executed prematurely.

Maybe the last year has warped my perception, but it feels like Flame is in a better position now than it’s been in a long time, and it’s not because of autodesk. It’s because we’ve kept using it, kept learning, kept up with all the fun things Fred and Stephane and Will and Yann have put in there for us, and when shit went down, we continued to deliver.

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There’s the line that opens the next showreel.

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There are still songs I hear that make me think “Tradeshow Season 199x”. Speaking of the transition to Autodesk, what about playing the long cut of Aphex Twin’s Windowlicker as NAB was closing on Thursday the year Discreet Logic was acquired? That got a reaction…

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For me there was really only one discreet logic demo reel track…

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That was a great one. Angus, who cut them before passing the torch to me, was a big Ninja Tune fan. I think I tried to get Mr Scruff on every year.

In all honesty, picking the reel music was the single most stressful part of the gig. There was a lot to live up to, and we spent a lot of time arguing about it. The only time I really high-fived myself was after deciding to just carry Chemical Brothers’ Star Guitar out to the end of the reel instead of cutting back to whatever we’d led with (Groove Armada? Zero 7? I honestly don’t remember). I think that was 2002. I think it also set a precedent for using multiple tracks per reel, but I’d need to buy a digibeta deck and crack open some archives to be sure.

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I believe there were some meetings.

Ahh shit. There goes my evening.

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Oh hells yes.

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I have no stories of old Flame as I only started using Smoke in 2012 before jumping across to Flame when that jumped across to the Mac. On Andy’s retrospective Logik show one cannot help but dream that you could reach out to Gary Tregaskis to get him to tell some mythic founding tales. He should be, one cannot help but think, interviewed longform stylee for some graphics software retrospective before it gets too long and too far along, when, you know, the final call comes from which nobody gets to do an encore. Be great to see the founding father reflect a little on hatching this tricky bag…

Cheers
Tony

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Venice was made by getris - they also made a thing called hurricane…

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Speaking of showreel music, in my attempts to find ever more obscure songs, one year we used a track called “Her Song” by MKL vs. Soy Sos, a track I found on a Kruder and Dorfmeister live mix during the Hotline file sharing heyday. (The version with vocals is 100x better, but we had a pretty strict no vocals policy, until the Personal Jesus episode)

Not a well known track or band, finding their management was a challenge. Eventually we got to some guy who claimed to represent them, and when we asked for a high quality copy, he sent us a DAT, with a post-it attached that said, basically, this is the master, please send it back.

It was also the only time I’ve ever used the DAT drive on an Octane.

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