Versioning rant

After having the same versioning discussions again in Discord, I’ve added 2 new feature requests to modernize flame:

Changeable BFX/Gap-BFX resolutions:
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Sync TLFX/Segments only within same TL resolutions (or reels)
https://feedback.autodesk.com/project/feedback/view.html?cap=5afe6c845cb3447ab36ccbd7f0688f84&uf=7a4db355797844e38fcb84a562d4b457&slsid=272e303f79534b6aac2a39c4b91a67a5

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upvoted!

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I’ve become numb to this. Here is a ‘small’ job that is one commercial.

Screenshot 2023-08-14 at 8.33.20 AM

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What . . … No subtitled versions?

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Looks like a teeny tiny baby job to me! Where are your Chilean Spanish, Mandarin, Polish, Czech, Martian English, Subbed, Dubbed, and sent to the moon and back versions?

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Needs some 4x5s and a directors cut too. :stuck_out_tongue:

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This ^^

and don’t forget the unique 9x16 tiktok safe zone version.

Open question: is there a better software out there that copes with this scenario better?

For example, you’ve made all your masters and the client wants to update the strapline on all the masters: that is all durations, resolutions and languages. Is there a one button press out there to change this? Maybe a precomp in after effects?

connected conform is pretty much as good as it gets from what I have seen.

Precomped ae or resolve etc wont fix this really gives you all kinda of other issues

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Yes, Connected Comform leads in that space. But it hasn’t kept up with the use case and will need updates to stay in the race.

It’s possible that BMD takes on the use case and surprises in R19. They’ve done this numerous times to play the market and raise their flag higher.

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I still cant render multiple timelines at once in resolve, they have a LOT of stuff to fix for it to really become a tool viable.

But if they do…

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If you can queue them on a render node and let them do their thing, does it matter? Resolve is in total one of the faster renders for timelines.

I’m not advocating for Resolve by any means. Quiet the contrary. But I’m just observing that they have played that game before, and to the detriment of others. So complacency or time may not be on Flame’s side here.

Connected Conform that can keep up with these use cases is something that could bring more users into Flame, who currently pull their hair out in Premiere over this. Or could be a leaking bath tub.

PS: I mentioned Connected Conform to post producer at a big agency who has projects with many deliverables, and she wasn’t aware that it existed.

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Would it be possible to have a focus group to discuss this @Slabrie @fredwarren ?

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This is what Connected Conform does. In all of my reels I have graphics that are common throughout. Fortunately on this job, The English and Spanish edits are the same, just different graphics and audio.
So all of the English spots have Connected graphics and all of the Spanish are Connected.

But it’s not that simple because there are then different graphics between English 16x9, 1x1, 9x16 and Spanish 16x9, 1x1, and 9x16. So now there is a matrix of things that are common/different between English and Spanish, and a common/different factor between the resolutions. I don’t think there will every be a one button solution to this type of situation but with careful management by a smart operator you can minimize the repetitive aspects of replacing graphics.

I also have a system of versioning text in Photoshop that allows you to quickly version up with the pattern browsing feature. It’s all about staying organized.

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europe enters the chat.

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(2 items in there are 2 folder for 16:9 and socials :smiley: )

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The problem is you CANT queue them all at once. thats one of my main issues with resolve atm.

You have to select EACH timeline and press add to render queue.

https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=140680

Workaround of making “render timelines” with nested timelines is the only workable workaround but you need one for each resolution. And then you cant render with burnin subtitles and whatnot, its really not made for that at all.

there is a lot more stuff but its just so many small things that are incredibly BAD in resolve. like the conform tool… it sucks. sucks sucks big time.

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If you use bfx for titles then it doesn’t work this way.

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+1

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my crazy re-versioning Batch - 6 packshots with separate Action nodes for 16x9, 9x16 &1x1, for 6 licenced variants of a product with each having a pile of different logos, legals and licensor specific niggles.
The rendering out of the commercials was a breeze compared to managing all the licensor nonsense.

Would have lost my mind doing these all in bfx

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