8K may be coming faster than we think

There is just no cost to benefit ratio that makes sense for wide 8k adoption.

you underestimate the power of marketing and endless growth.

Samsung has to sell more TVs every year, buzzwords sell TVs. Marketing departments like those as well ā€œFLAGSHIP 8K TVā€

is ā€œ4Kā€ delivery even necessarry… idk my eyes arent good enough to tell or my 77" TV is too far away or both…

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4K is overkill for home use, even with a 77ā€ screen. It’s got debatable value on a cinema screen, where the most noticeable difference will be the sharpness of the subtitles.

It’s all just marketing. ā€œThat movie would have been so much better at 4kā€ is not a statement anyone has ever made.

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They definitely need to up their bandwidth before increasing resolution again. The banding on ALL streaming platforms is horrible, really embarrassing

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the correlation between visual quality, bitdepth, resolution and bitrate even on the same codec is not that linear.

data reduction is a weird thing.

as @ALan said 10bit is easier to compress than 8bit, 4x the resolution does not mean 4x the bitrate, it all very much depends on the content.

Its complicated

Nope.
4K hdr is a noticeable improvement for home use.
Streaming, unfortunately, can be terrible compression for so much data.
UHD BluRay can show a huge diff especially w dark saturated content. Game of thrones final season or even Wednesday on Netflix are good cases.

For work station, you don’t want 8 bit.
The grads just don’t hold up, as mentioned previously.
Once seen can’t be unseen.

Andy D.
(West-side…)

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Hard disagree here. I’ve been slowly swapping out my home blu-ray collection with 4Ks as they release and the quality bump is very noticeable, at least on a brand new OLED. the recent criterion blurays of malcolm x and days of heaven for instance completely blew me away. have even A/B’d a few against their HD counterparts (upres’d by my player of course) and the difference is not subtle.

I do think its the HDR that does it more than the resolution alone fwiw, but agree with others, it really needs 10bit.

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But is that due to the resolution? My thesis is if you took any of the new 4k blu rays and only changed the resolution, they would look equally good.

At this point the math behind pixels to perceptible resolution, on home screens — there’s just not an economic reason to keep pushing for more pixels.

Samsung, LG, and Panasonic have joined the chat…

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Oh yeah, they’ll push. But will consumers really pay for it.

I just wish everyone would reconsider and move back to 4:3. Or even better 1:1.

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Super-VHS

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Betamax.

Zack Snyder has entered the chat. :smiley:

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Super Betamax. Preferably with the wired stow-away remote.

You guys are old.

Full disclosure. I’m fine with 4k. I just want 4k in 4:3 or 1:1.

I’m not old. I’m nostalgic and pragmatic AND old.

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I’m reminded of when Netflix mandated 4k and > for cameras on their shows. The Arri Alexa wasn’t 4k yet. I had just seen ā€œ12 Years a Slaveā€ - shot on Arri 2.5k, and I thought, ā€œYeah, that was pretty good, but it really needed another K or two to be great.ā€ (/Sarcasm)

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Scorsese shot Hugo at 2.5K ProRez.

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