Tracking a logo on a bottle with no tracking info

Hi guys,

I have to track a logo on some ai shots containing people drinking a energy drink. There is a lot of movement and swirling liquid in the bottles. I can’t figure out how to track this. I’m doing a manual track and it’s floating ofcourse.

Is there any other way to do it?

I remember there was machine learning tool in flame that you feed a single frame reference to and it would replicate that on the whole shot.

I don’t remember where it was and how to use it.

Mocha might not help either.

Any advice guys? :slightly_smiling_face:

Having an option to use Syntheyes or similar match moving package so maybe so you can track geo. Or KeenTools, for Blender perhaps for object tracking with the help of geometry.

Otherwise, every shot is differnt off course. Is there something in the similar space, like hand holding a bottle that you can track and go from there? Mocha you mentioned has great adjust track module and now with point ML trackers so that is another option or you can manually try to adjust it on reference frames.

Hard to tell since every footage or in this case AI stuff is going to be differnt. Reflections, transparency, occlusions etc. Speaking of occlusions, make sure you make some occlusion masks for tracking and see if there is any offset tracking that can be done, Like hand holding a bottle or something firmly in the same place as bottle.

Thanks @Kruno

I only have mocha available. Yes,they are shots of people holding the bottle and drinking from it.

I’ll work on it some more tomorrow. I told the client getting it match moved would be ideal.

Thanks again​:slightly_smiling_face:

Make sure you take advantage of the adjust track in mocha, it should help with any slipping and use mesh tracking since its not a plane, but you can extract the data to a plane in latest Mocha. If you can track hand that is holding the bottle firmly, that is half way there. Not sure if it would work to solve the scene and export alembic and use that to project the label. But something to try.

Thanks @Kruno I’ll try this tomorrow :slightly_smiling_face:

This might be a job for AI for a quick fix… Get a good still frame painted up, feed it to (probably) Kling o3 Edit Video. I’ve done some proof-of-concept tests swapping out soda cans, and it was pretty decent.

Some dumb asshole forgot to add the following sentence to their divine prompt.

“Add persistent tracking markers to the glass/bottle so that the label can be modified in post production / VFX”

Sigh

We’re all idiots…

Also

Do everyone a favour and charge 100 times your rate so that these fuckers all suffer from evolution and cease to participate by Tuesday of next week.

Life is short.

Do good things.

Stop being the fall guy for other people’s idiocy.

It’s not 1980 any more.

Spines are available on Amazon.

Based on conversations with people who’ve worked on more ML generated images than I have, tracking in the “traditional” sense will likely be harder than normal since there are no optical rules governing the image.

My advice is start with a 1pt track to stabilize the image, and keep doing more tracks/adjustments in downstream actions until you’ve got the image stable. Then copy all the axis nodes you made into a single action, chain them up and use that action to stabilize. Comp the label and then destabilize.

It’s easier to manually stabilize and image than it is to track it. Try to stabilize it in a way you can invert. I have a demo and a downloadable setup someplace that makes this easier.

100%

But equally how do “clients” get so attached to image sequences? (We can fall down the rabbit holes of absence of imagination/skill/etc)

It’s not as if they staged and shot them.(see above)

Why not adjust the prompt, supply some things, and get an acceptable end result.

Then upscale because the idea was so immaculate.

clients

Can’t live with ‘em

Can’t burn those clowns to make electricity to power ai spewing machines in a data center to make pictures that nobody will EVER care about for a product that NOBODY will remember…

Sigh

I remembered the correct response:

I know a guy in la who will do it for a Ferrari.

I also know a guy somewhere else who will do it for a bus ticket.

I’m busy as fuck, would you like either of their numbers?

Seeing as how you’re most likely looking to shift between 7 and 8 figures worth of product, would you like a quote?

That’s exactly what I suggested to them @aaronneitz they finally did it in ai, the problem was ai was not generating the logo according to brand guidelines. :slightly_smiling_face:

I imagined that was possible @philm , atleast if there were trackers that could get covered by the logo, it would have been faster and possible in such little time

Yeah @andy_dill it’s a pain for source files that are mp4 with little turnaround time

Thanks so much everyone for your valuable inputs, the job is done and dusted mostly in ai. Thankfully I can focus on other things like frying an egg :slightly_smiling_face: