Hope the pricing is similar but will need to check into it.
RGS still does not support Macs - correct ? So they just bagged the whole HP Graphics Agent product for Macs etc. instead of rebranding and repackaging the Teradici technology under RGS ??? This is not good.
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HPAnywhere rocked in that area. Host ran on all 3 platforms and used floating license pool to allow a single license to support connecting to each of the machines one at a time. Perfect for our small business. But, thatâs over now.
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So yeah this has been confirmed by HP employees in the Studio Sysadmin Slack.
Fuck it.
I am from a VDI company called Leostream. Weâve been partners with HP Anyware for quite some time, and we support and broker a variety of other protocols including Amazon DCV, Mechdyne TGX, RGS, and others. We are in the process of gathering performance metrics of all of the protocols we support, so that you can find one that has comparable performance to PCoIP.
I just can not wrap my head around this decision. How much hassle could it be for them to keep Teradici as a product with the minimal feature/enhancements they have made over the years. And then to resurrect shit RGS as the replacement is an additional mystery.
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me neither. On first glance it seems the only 2 viable options (if you take Mac out the equation - which we canât really afford to do, but hey..) are RGS or DCV. Seeing as HP have just royally F-d us all by taking this decision, my inclination would be to try DCV again first. I simply dont trust HP not to revoke RGS in a few years down the road.
I dont get the buy-it-kill-it mentality. As you say - why not simply let us keep paying for a few more yearsâŚ. ?
I can only think they thought it would be a good money maker for them, but then realized the profit to the stock holders wasnât very good at $300 a host license, so the bean counters probably said kill it. They probably spent a fortune on Teradici, so no one would pay more than HP for that devision, therefore, no foreseeable profit, no devision. Unfortunate side effect of a publicly traded company.
One thing thatâs hard to tell from the outside with the buy-it-kill-it cases, do they flush it wholesale or do they move the good bits under the hood into RGS and just want to maintain one system instead of two, and for whatever reason RGS has the better hood to keep.
Rarely do buy-it schemes really envision keep the product as is long-term as it rarely fits perfectly. So either they gut it for the the rare earth minerals and dump the rest. Or they bought it so nobody else could get their hands on it, but then it ends up as a rock in the shoe, and eventually they nuke it.
Itâs always about what is in it for them, not what it does for you.
But even in the best case scenario where they keep the good bits, if the old hood didnât handle Mac, theyâre unlikely to address that gap and leave you hanging with that.
Reminds me of an old inside joke from when I worked at HP Enterprise Storage. The product line was called âHP Sure Storeâ. We always joked that they never promised âSure RetrieveââŚ.
Storing is the simple part. Getting it back under all kind of weather conditions is where it gets hard.
Even now my Z8 greats me with âHP Sure Startâ - doesnât mention what that guarantees? A BIOS screen or an actual OS?
Unfortunately, RGS is almost exactly the same as when it was dropped 4 years ago. They did not make it any better, and in fact, it is quite a bit worse than Teradici is currently.
HP Anywhere, except from HP.
I canât tell yet if this is obviously AWSâs fault or HP just forgot which app they were supposed to kill and got Teradici and RGS mixed up in the marketing department and picked the wrong one.
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Why would the decision by HP to deprecate HP Anyware have anything to do with AWS? Amazon Workspaces used Teradici but swapped to DCV years ago.
HP updated the HP Anyware site with the EOL info and FAQ:
Full transparency, I lead product at Splashtop and invite any HP Anywhere customers to try out our product and/or reach out to me. We will work with you on a transition over to our products if interested. Additionally, you can see some comparison details here as well.
so⌠is anyone running Nice DCV at the moment? Is that where we should pivot?
I used it for a few years. Worked fine and in my opinion just as good as HP Anywhere for my uses and in some ways better. In fact all of the brokered connections were via DCV for PC and Linux⌠the whole shop was using it. With the 2024 release something got a bit messed up and when I left that shop I switched back over to HP Anywhere because it just worked fine. Again, not great but fine.
Guess Iâll be looking into again⌠sigh.
Whatâs new in Teragucci
Tear-free NvFBC capture (NVIDIA workstations)
Framebuffer is now grabbed through a sandboxed NvFBC helper process â zero-copy, sub-millisecond, and completely tear-free even while Flame is flinging 4K timelines around. No more diagonal tear bands when scrubbing. Falls back cleanly to mss/XShm on non-NVIDIA hardware.
Local cursor rendering â PCoIP-style (all hardware)
Cursor motion used to round-trip through the H.264 encoder, so pointer lag tracked network RTT â fine on a LAN, miserable on a VPN. The server now polls the X cursor shape over XFixes on a dedicated thread and ships only shape changes to the client, which draws the cursor locally as a native QCursor. Pointer motion is instant regardless of bandwidth. NvFBC is set to skip the cursor in the video stream, so thereâs no double-draw. Flameâs full cursor set (arrow, crosshair, move, text-insert, wait) all come through with correct hotspots.
macOS Ctrl+click hotkeys actually work (macOS client)
macOS rewrites Ctrl+LeftClick into a RightButton event before Qt sees it, which broke every Flame hotkey that used Ctrl+Shift+Click. The viewer now catches that case at the event-dispatch level and puts the left button back on the wire.
Hybrid WebSocket + UDP transport (all hardware)
Video frames can ride a UDP sidechannel with a jitter buffer while control and input stay on the reliable WebSocket. Helps significantly on lossy links â video and interactivity no longer degrade together.
Broker mode (infrastructure)
A small FreeIPA-aware broker lets clients pick a machine from a pool rather than hardcoding an IP â useful for our 6-Flame farm where people want âgive me any free NVIDIA box.â
Where it stands
Daily-driven on dxs-flame-02 from a Mac Studio and a MacBook Pro.
| Capability | Status |
|---|---|
| Video | YUV 4:4:4 ¡ 30 fps ¡ NVENC |
| Wacom | Full 8192-level pressure, tilt, rotation |
| Audio | |
| Clipboard | |
| Drag-and-drop file transfer | |
| USB/IP passthrough | |
| Auth | Per-user PAM sessions, real Xorg + NVIDIA driver, full OpenGL + CUDA |
The comparison table in the README is deliberately aimed at PCoIP, Parsec, and RGS â Teragucci now checks every box on that list, is free, and runs on commodity hardware with no dongles, no license servers, and no per-seat fees.
Still to polish
- Windows client packaging
- Broker admin UI
- Quality auto-tuner
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@randy - spectaculer
who needs NAB?
Linux client?