I feel the general zeitgeist is not so much that it’s a wretched functionality, but that it breaks an important function of the paint node when on. If the majority of folks are just immediately turning it off when dragging up a paint node, that should be the default. Yes, a quick fix, but one that would be far easier implemented with no real need for any significant update to the paint node. If consolidate is your jam, you can just as easily then turn it on immediately, no?
To clarify, I love the idea of custom and selectable defaults, that would rock. Just feel like that would be a little more tricky than just making the default what most people, granted this is a small subsample poll, seem to be doing to begin with (consolidate off). And like I said above, I would be content with even just being able to turn it off and have it stay off, that to me seems like the more egregious oddity.
This is the actual problem. I guess my issue with the “poll” is that it ignores it. If it behaved properly, people would care far less what it defaulted to, although it’s always nice to have it default to what you use most. As it is, it can’t be saved in the brush sets or even in a saved node in the user bin, which is my alternative to nodes that don’t have user-default capabilities. The way the “poll” is written, choosing it to default to OFF just hands the frustration off to people who use it a lot.
And of course, a lot of people don’t understand how it works, they just see it mess up their drag brush (I think maybe part of the function of Consolidate is to not re-write the image buffer with every stroke, so when you drag from a portion you have already dragged, it uses the original image as a source, rather than the image you see on screen. I’m not a bit dweeb, but I imagine there is a benefit to that some where, just not drag and smear,) and then they hear stories about how it corrupts everything, and somehow it will corrupt your entire batch, and then fear sets in and no one actually tries to use it to their benefit.
Drag is far and away my most used brush, followed by Rec Clone. Both of which are screwed up by Consolidate. Saveable action-style defaults and making it stay off once turned off seem like a great compromise.
The premise is wrong. Consolidate On or consolidate Off. The key is that button does not change after a restart of flame. One value per project. Exactly like cache button does now. I think this is an approach to ask for to adsk feedback.
I accidentally setup the poll such that someone could vote for both choices. If you look, it says there is +1 vote more than # of voters, so likely someone voted twice, once for each.
I was wondering about that . . . . For the record, I didn’t vote. I don’t care what it defaults to. I just want the bug fixed. Not just swapped so it’s someone else’s problem.
I agree, but based off poll results, it is very likely it will be a tiny minority of someones problem… So the current behavior is actually more of everyones problem.
I was under the impression that it was the directive of the group to advocate for something to be no bodies problem, not just for the benefit of the 1.8% of the group that actually voted.
Sure, but in the absence of a proper fix, which has been the modus operandi so far, I will accept a quick fix that 99% of the 1.8% of people that participated want.
@fredwarren@Slabrie I beg of you, fix the bug in the next release and I will never make fun of Montreal bagels again. And we can put this stupid argument in the past
If by next release you mean the upcoming 2023.2 Update then the answer is no. It won’t be fixed in that release.
I acknowledge that there is certainly a way to make that whole workflow better but I agree with you Tim that it is not only a matter of changing the default value. There are multiple things to be fixed around the Consolidate workflow.
I stumbled across this older thread because of the way that the Drag tool in paint works (Flame 2023.3)
It was pointed out to me that the drag brush wasn’t recursive
This surprised me because I though that it was. I wouldn’t be able to use it half as much as I do if it wasn’t. But sure enough when I sat down and tested it out, my second brush stroke wasn’t dragging my first stroke it was dragging my original background.
This stumped me for a while until I turned off Consolidate. Something I would normally do but had forgotten to do for my testing. Why bother I had thought.
Low and behold! My drag is now recursive!
I was surprised that I hadn’t noticed this before.
When Consolidate is on, your Drag brush isn’t recursive. Turn it off and it is!
